With the press release for G1.9+0.3 we talked about when an event in a
distant part of the Milky Way galaxy occurred. One delicate issue that
immediately came to mind was what to do about the light travel time to this
object. We decided to adopt the astronomer's convention and talk about
events in Earth's time frame, that is when the light reached the Earth, as
we noted in the press release and in a few other places on our web-site.

G1.9+0.3
Here's the result: astronomers estimated that the supernova explosion which
caused G1.9+0.3 occurred about 140 years ago, in Earth's time frame, which
means that's when the feeble optical signal reached the Earth. Of course,
no-one noticed it back then, because of absorption by dust and gas.
What we did was effectively ignore the light travel time of about 25,000
years for this supernova and its remnant. This sounds misleading, or even
blatantly dishonest to some people. Was our intention to deliberately
confuse people? Well, no, but there are several reasons why the
astronomer's convention of discussing Earth's time frame makes the most
sense:
1. It's practical: since nothing can exceed the speed of light, it is
impossible for us to know what is happening at this instant in a different
part of the Galaxy, such as the Galactic center. So, the most practical
solution to this problem is to talk about when an event can be *seen* by
us.
2. It focuses on what's important: the light travel time to distant parts
of the Galaxy is non-trivial in human terms, but not in this astronomical
context. Even the light travel time to the other side of the galaxy is
still likely to be much less than the time it takes for significant changes
in the Galactic supernova rate (and estimating this rate is a crucial
goal). Therefore, despite the finite speed of light we can still make
useful comparisons of the supernova rate between different parts of the
Galaxy, such as the central region where G1.9 is located, and the more
local parts of the galaxy where the historical remnants like Cas A and
Tycho are found.
3. It's precise: the distance to G1.9+0.3 has an uncertainty of perhaps
several thousand light years, but the uncertainty in the age of the
supernova remnant is only a few decades, so it's much more precise to
discuss Earth's time frame than a general galactic time frame. This holds
even more so for optical detections of supernova explosions or other cosmic
events where the time of the event can be pinned down to a few days or
better. The distances to most objects in space aren't known very
accurately, so discussing the light travel time involves highly uncertain
numbers.
4. It's often no more confusing than other options: there is clear
potential for confusion when discussing things in Earth's time frame, since
the caveat about the time frame used can easily be dropped. However, there
is also potential for confusion, with short news reports, if one *includes*
the light travel time. For example, the NBC news story about G1.9 said
that the supernova occurred 26,000 years ago. That's fine, but without an
understanding of delays because of light travel time one might conclude
that this explosion was somehow seen 26,000 years ago. Also, no information
was given about the assumed distance to the remnant, so even experts would
not know when the explosion was actually seen, which is a crucial part of
this story.
-Peter Edmonds, CXC
- chandra's blog
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I haven't had much idea
I haven't had much idea about light and travel time before I read this topic.
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Hm. That is similar to FireFox logo. I agree. :) The article is brilliant, great point.
The Critical Concept of Delayed Visual Interception
Its really hard to imagine that cosmic and galactic occurrences takes 100s of years to be detected ( as feeble signals ) by us. What is truly amazing is - all the Hubble images we are seeing are millions of years old - so we are basically seeing how the universe was "X" light years ago by all the mega telescopes. So even if a there is a major intergalactic occurrence - it can theoretically take hundreds or millions of years to cause any disruption to the earth. Its a wonder actually.
Another alarming fact is - Supernova and neutrino are related - my concern is about electric burst that might occur due to possible formation of ions nearby the supernova explosions. So i was wondering - is it a threat to a planetary body being in considerable distance from a supernova explosion?
P.S - that Doesn't look like Firefox logo at all. Theres simply no fox in it.
Larry.
BsC. Mechatornics Engr.
Singapore
It actually does look like
It actually does look like the FireFox logo only a bit better looking IMO.
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Very interesting tread and
Very interesting tread and it really looks like the firefox browser logo
Regards,
Netsurfer
I find the concept of speed
I find the concept of speed and time to be very interesting. I know Einstein theorized that faster than light travel is impossible, it still is a fascinating topic for discussion.
Best regards,
Darron
I agree, it makes my brain
I agree, it makes my brain tingle when I think about it lol
Is it just me, or does that also remind you of the FireFox logo?
I don't think its possible to undestand
How big it really is. For an untranied mind like, mine I cant even imagine how far the universe is..
So i find it really amazing that anyone can calculate on numbers like this.
Barry, yes i does look like the Firefox logo :-)
Kind regards
Jonas